FAO: Sytrep or Vegas

Snake_Eyes · 11-27-2006, 08:51 PM

Evening Chaps. Just a couple of F4AF related questions I am hoping you two F4 vets may be able to provide an answer.

Firstly though I want to take this opportunity to thank you both for your efforts with the F4AF profiles for TB. I started off with Vegas's, and am now running with SytReps - Graphically outstanding!

Have spent the past couple of hours revamping SytReps profile.

I have one for "In the Air" (i.e. All the TB icons are a mirror image as to what position the switches are in the F16 cockpit during the "basic handling" training mission.).

And I have one for "On the Ground". Ready for a RAMP start. Whereby most of the switches are in the "Off" state.

My questions are:

1. ICP Tab - HUD Switch ATT / FPM / OFF. The profile had this as Ctrl-Shift-Alt-f. I couldnt find this combination anywhere in the Keys file in my installation (thats original Keys file, and the Jagstang Keys file I use with my cougar). But can you confirm it should have been Shift-Ctrl-Alt-P (Toggle Pitch Ladder)?

2. ICP Tab - HUD Switch VV/VAH / VV / OFF. Profile had this as Ctrl-Shift-Alt-h. I couldnt find this combination anywhere either. Can you confirm it should have been just the "h" key (Toggle Scales)?

3. Flight Tab - RAD ALT - ON / STBY / OFF. The profile has this as a Toggle for Ctrl-A. However, This particular switch has three different key combinations to toggle its state i.e.

Alt-A Radar Altimeter Off
Shift-A Radar Altimeter On
Ctrl-A Radar Altimeter Standby

How do I go about having three seperate (RAD ALT) buttons in the TB window so that I can toggle the RAD ALT states?

The above is probably a stupid question. So I apologise in advance.

Thanks for reading.

SytRep · 11-27-2006, 09:52 PM

Hey Snake, glad you like the profile.

I would be interested in your profile .tbs for both air and ground, I was planning on implemeting this however, if you've already done it, I will give them the once over and included them in my profile download. Will just require one more for Taxi then.

Right then, answers to your questions:

1. ICP Tab - HUD Switch ATT / FPM / OFF. This is the Flight Path MArker control switch, the F4AF key combination is Ctrl-Shift-Alt-f as described in the Key Map, HUD section in the Battlefield Operations Menu. You can tell this is working by viewing the HUD and looking for the aircraft symbol and the pitch ladder cycling as you press it.

2. ICP Tab - HUD Switch VV/VAH / VV / OFF. This is the scales switch and uses Ctrl-Shift-Alt-h, this cycles through displaying the Vertical Velocity scale, VV, Altitude and Heading Scale and Off. These will only be displayed if you have analogue tapes selected using Crtl-h, you will only see the vv in HUD NAV mode.

3. Ah ha, you got me there. At present you can only cycle using one switch allocation, so Rad Alt will not work correctly at present. Z has mentioned the possibility of allowing different switch cycling, however he is currently working on greater things at present. So yes you are right, I cheated and only allowed off to stby until Z does his magic.

Oh, and as my instructors tell me, there are no stupid questions, only stupid answers. Or is that a stupid answer?

PM your email and I'll get those preset .tbs files off you, if thats ok.

Keep your six clear

'Rep

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snake_Eyes

Evening Chaps. Just a couple of F4AF related questions I am hoping you two F4 vets may be able to provide an answer.

Firstly though I want to take this opportunity to thank you both for your efforts with the F4AF profiles for TB. I started off with Vegas's, and am now running with SytReps - Graphically outstanding!

Have spent the past couple of hours revamping SytReps profile.

I have one for "In the Air" (i.e. All the TB icons are a mirror image as to what position the switches are in the F16 cockpit during the "basic handling" training mission.).

And I have one for "On the Ground". Ready for a RAMP start. Whereby most of the switches are in the "Off" state.

My questions are:

1. ICP Tab - HUD Switch ATT / FPM / OFF. The profile had this as Ctrl-Shift-Alt-f. I couldnt find this combination anywhere in the Keys file in my installation (thats original Keys file, and the Jagstang Keys file I use with my cougar). But can you confirm it should have been Shift-Ctrl-Alt-P (Toggle Pitch Ladder)?

2. ICP Tab - HUD Switch VV/VAH / VV / OFF. Profile had this as Ctrl-Shift-Alt-h. I couldnt find this combination anywhere either. Can you confirm it should have been just the "h" key (Toggle Scales)?

3. Flight Tab - RAD ALT - ON / STBY / OFF. The profile has this as a Toggle for Ctrl-A. However, This particular switch has three different key combinations to toggle its state i.e.

Alt-A Radar Altimeter Off
Shift-A Radar Altimeter On
Ctrl-A Radar Altimeter Standby

How do I go about having three seperate (RAD ALT) buttons in the TB window so that I can toggle the RAD ALT states?

The above is probably a stupid question. So I apologise in advance.

Thanks for reading.

Snake_Eyes · 11-27-2006, 10:45 PM

Thank for answering so quickly Sytrep.

Am just about to PM you my email. And yes, you can have both my profiles with pleasure (On the Ground & In the Air)

1.
Have just loaded Falcon up, and tried a Ctrl-Shift-Alt-f (which I still cannot find in the original Keys or Jagstang Keys). I pressed the keys, and in the HUD, Nothing happened. So I tracked right of the cockpit, to observe the switch on the HUD Panel (the panel that has the switches for ATT / FPM / OFF. ALT RAD, CAS, DED DATA etc) pressed Ctrl-Shift-Alt-f and the ATT / FPM / OFF switch did not move.

Falcon (V1.09 - Toms Hightiles) in Training Mission - Basic Handling

Check HUD Panel, right hand side of cockpit

TT-FPM / FPM / OFF Switch is at TT-FPM, Pitch Ladder, Steerpoint in HUD

Press Shift-Ctrl-Alt-P Switch moves to FPM, No Pitch Ladder, Has Steerpoint

Press Shift-Ctrl-Alt-P Switch moves to OFF, No Pitch Ladder, No Steerpoint

2.
Have just pressed Ctrl-Shift-Alt-h and observed no change in the HUD.

Ctrl-h does nothing either. Ctrl-h is not found in the original Keymap. Closest I got was Ctrl-HOME. Are you sure these are for F4AF and not the original Falcon keystrokes?

The Only F4AF key that wants to work with this is just the "h" key - it even moves the switch on the HUD Avionics panel.

3.
Roger that, and understood. Will work round it by pressing the keyboard keys!

Once again thanks for taking the time to explain, and make the profile in the first place. Cheers (I feel like a right whiner)!

zorlac · 11-28-2006, 07:54 AM

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3. Flight Tab - RAD ALT - ON / STBY / OFF. The profile has this as a Toggle for Ctrl-A. However, This particular switch has three different key combinations to toggle its state i.e.

Alt-A Radar Altimeter Off
Shift-A Radar Altimeter On
Ctrl-A Radar Altimeter Standby

remind me again... you want effectivly a "toggle/cycle" button, but it needs to change not only the button image per press, but also send a different macro set per state? Would that cover it? Wont be in v1.3.x, but i`ll look at it for v1.4.x

Snake_Eyes · 11-28-2006, 08:43 AM

Thats very kind of you Zorlac.

Yes, this RAD-ALT Switch has three different key combinations to toggle it through OFF - STBY - ON. (CTRL-A, SHIFT-, ALT-A).

The way things stand at the mo. You can either press the TB screen button and go straight to ON or STBY. During the F16 RAMP start procedure, the RAD-ALT about half way through, is put in the STBY mode. A little later in to the procedure, you place the switch to ON (easily sorted with a mouse click).

Slightly OT:

I know Rugg has touched on this elsewhere on the forum; A TB Button whereby you can give it a "timer". I think Rugg was trying to slave a laser to one of the Russian Jets in Lock On. The laser timed out after a minute or two? And I think Rugg was asking if it was possible to get a timer added to a button, or something like that. (Forgive me Rugg, if I am barking up the wrong tree)!

Once again, in F4AF during the RAMP start procedure. On the ENG & JET START panel, JFS is set to START2.

After a few more bits and bobs, the Jet Engine starts to spool up to 70%. At this point, you go back to the ENG & JET START panel and confirm that JFS has switched off.

If you could allocate a timer to a button, say 5 seconds, then get the button to resume its default state (in this example, to OFF).

Unfortunately in TB, The JFS switch has to remain in the on position. I guess, for now, we could use a static switch that doesnt go to on.

zorlac · 11-28-2006, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Snake_Eyes

Thats very kind of you Zorlac.

Yes, this RAD-ALT Switch has three different key combinations to toggle it through OFF - STBY - ON. (CTRL-A, SHIFT-, ALT-A).

I`ll see what I can do

Quote:

I know Rugg has touched on this elsewhere on the forum; A TB Button whereby you can give it a "timer". I think Rugg was trying to slave a laser to one of the Russian Jets in Lock On. The laser timed out after a minute or two? And I think Rugg was asking if it was possible to get a timer added to a button, or something like that. (Forgive me Rugg, if I am barking up the wrong tree)!

I think this is covered by the new "hold expire" option, that allows TB to "expire" the selected state of a hold button after a preset time (and optionally send the deselect macros if required). Of course, pressing the hold button before its expiry time resets it all and it acts normally.

zorlac · 11-28-2006, 11:19 AM

Actually, this button type will allow me to kill two birds with one stone, because Ruggbutt requested another kind of button that could actually be implemented with this requested type.... good call!

Snake_Eyes · 11-30-2006, 12:30 PM

All these improvements sound fantastic. TB has come along way since your first release earlier this year Z!

Have been in communication with Sytrep whereby we are fine tuning the "On the ground" and "In the air" TB.cfg's - There are hundreds of key combinations in F4AF.

People who release Cougar profiles do subtle changes to the original F4AF Keymap. Which result in undesireable effects using peoples TB profiles that stay faithful to the original Keymap. One example being Jagstangs Cougar profile which changes all the ICP default keys of CTRL-Numberpad key, to just Numberpad Key. I was pressing the ICP buttons for England, with no noticeable results on screen, until the penny dropped that I was on someone elses Keys profile, and things may have changed.

Why the RAD ALT toggle key uses Shift-A, CTRL-A and finally ALT-A to move through its 3 states is beyond me! Its the only toggle key that uses different keys.

Anyway, thanks for a truely awesome program. And my thanks to all those early pioneers who released profiles, and WBK for the Toolkit.

Hipshot · 11-30-2006, 07:09 PM

SytRep and Snake, As a fellow F4AF jock I am really excited about what you are doing, my learning curve for Falcon is getting shallower all the time as a result. As this program and it,s contributers continue to elvolve, I can only guess what it will be like a year from now....but I bet it will be well beyond it's current state of "outstanding!"

11-27-2006, 08:51 PM	#1 (permalink)
Snake_Eyes Moderator Join Date: May 2006 Location: Cheshire, UK Posts: 74	FAO: Sytrep or Vegas Evening Chaps. Just a couple of F4AF related questions I am hoping you two F4 vets may be able to provide an answer. Firstly though I want to take this opportunity to thank you both for your efforts with the F4AF profiles for TB. I started off with Vegas's, and am now running with SytReps - Graphically outstanding! Have spent the past couple of hours revamping SytReps profile. I have one for "In the Air" (i.e. All the TB icons are a mirror image as to what position the switches are in the F16 cockpit during the "basic handling" training mission.). And I have one for "On the Ground". Ready for a RAMP start. Whereby most of the switches are in the "Off" state. My questions are: 1. ICP Tab - HUD Switch ATT / FPM / OFF. The profile had this as Ctrl-Shift-Alt-f. I couldnt find this combination anywhere in the Keys file in my installation (thats original Keys file, and the Jagstang Keys file I use with my cougar). But can you confirm it should have been Shift-Ctrl-Alt-P (Toggle Pitch Ladder)? 2. ICP Tab - HUD Switch VV/VAH / VV / OFF. Profile had this as Ctrl-Shift-Alt-h. I couldnt find this combination anywhere either. Can you confirm it should have been just the "h" key (Toggle Scales)? 3. Flight Tab - RAD ALT - ON / STBY / OFF. The profile has this as a Toggle for Ctrl-A. However, This particular switch has three different key combinations to toggle its state i.e. Alt-A Radar Altimeter Off Shift-A Radar Altimeter On Ctrl-A Radar Altimeter Standby How do I go about having three seperate (RAD ALT) buttons in the TB window so that I can toggle the RAD ALT states? The above is probably a stupid question. So I apologise in advance. Thanks for reading. Last edited by Snake_Eyes; 11-27-2006 at 08:53 PM.

11-27-2006, 10:45 PM	#3 (permalink)
Snake_Eyes Moderator Join Date: May 2006 Location: Cheshire, UK Posts: 74	Thank for answering so quickly Sytrep. Am just about to PM you my email. And yes, you can have both my profiles with pleasure (On the Ground & In the Air) 1. Have just loaded Falcon up, and tried a Ctrl-Shift-Alt-f (which I still cannot find in the original Keys or Jagstang Keys). I pressed the keys, and in the HUD, Nothing happened. So I tracked right of the cockpit, to observe the switch on the HUD Panel (the panel that has the switches for ATT / FPM / OFF. ALT RAD, CAS, DED DATA etc) pressed Ctrl-Shift-Alt-f and the ATT / FPM / OFF switch did not move. Falcon (V1.09 - Toms Hightiles) in Training Mission - Basic Handling Check HUD Panel, right hand side of cockpit TT-FPM / FPM / OFF Switch is at TT-FPM, Pitch Ladder, Steerpoint in HUD Press Shift-Ctrl-Alt-P Switch moves to FPM, No Pitch Ladder, Has Steerpoint Press Shift-Ctrl-Alt-P Switch moves to OFF, No Pitch Ladder, No Steerpoint 2. Have just pressed Ctrl-Shift-Alt-h and observed no change in the HUD. Ctrl-h does nothing either. Ctrl-h is not found in the original Keymap. Closest I got was Ctrl-HOME. Are you sure these are for F4AF and not the original Falcon keystrokes? The Only F4AF key that wants to work with this is just the "h" key - it even moves the switch on the HUD Avionics panel. 3. Roger that, and understood. Will work round it by pressing the keyboard keys! Once again thanks for taking the time to explain, and make the profile in the first place. Cheers (I feel like a right whiner)! Last edited by Snake_Eyes; 11-27-2006 at 11:08 PM.

11-28-2006, 11:19 AM	#7 (permalink)
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11-28-2006, 08:43 AM	#5 (permalink)
Snake_Eyes Moderator Join Date: May 2006 Location: Cheshire, UK Posts: 74	Thats very kind of you Zorlac. Yes, this RAD-ALT Switch has three different key combinations to toggle it through OFF - STBY - ON. (CTRL-A, SHIFT-, ALT-A). The way things stand at the mo. You can either press the TB screen button and go straight to ON or STBY. During the F16 RAMP start procedure, the RAD-ALT about half way through, is put in the STBY mode. A little later in to the procedure, you place the switch to ON (easily sorted with a mouse click). Slightly OT: I know Rugg has touched on this elsewhere on the forum; A TB Button whereby you can give it a "timer". I think Rugg was trying to slave a laser to one of the Russian Jets in Lock On. The laser timed out after a minute or two? And I think Rugg was asking if it was possible to get a timer added to a button, or something like that. (Forgive me Rugg, if I am barking up the wrong tree)! Once again, in F4AF during the RAMP start procedure. On the ENG & JET START panel, JFS is set to START2. After a few more bits and bobs, the Jet Engine starts to spool up to 70%. At this point, you go back to the ENG & JET START panel and confirm that JFS has switched off. If you could allocate a timer to a button, say 5 seconds, then get the button to resume its default state (in this example, to OFF). Unfortunately in TB, The JFS switch has to remain in the on position. I guess, for now, we could use a static switch that doesnt go to on.

11-30-2006, 12:30 PM	#8 (permalink)
Snake_Eyes Moderator Join Date: May 2006 Location: Cheshire, UK Posts: 74	All these improvements sound fantastic. TB has come along way since your first release earlier this year Z! Have been in communication with Sytrep whereby we are fine tuning the "On the ground" and "In the air" TB.cfg's - There are hundreds of key combinations in F4AF. People who release Cougar profiles do subtle changes to the original F4AF Keymap. Which result in undesireable effects using peoples TB profiles that stay faithful to the original Keymap. One example being Jagstangs Cougar profile which changes all the ICP default keys of CTRL-Numberpad key, to just Numberpad Key. I was pressing the ICP buttons for England, with no noticeable results on screen, until the penny dropped that I was on someone elses Keys profile, and things may have changed. Why the RAD ALT toggle key uses Shift-A, CTRL-A and finally ALT-A to move through its 3 states is beyond me! Its the only toggle key that uses different keys. Anyway, thanks for a truely awesome program. And my thanks to all those early pioneers who released profiles, and WBK for the Toolkit.

11-30-2006, 07:09 PM	#9 (permalink)
Hipshot Dealer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Ft. Worth Texas Posts: 240	SytRep and Snake, As a fellow F4AF jock I am really excited about what you are doing, my learning curve for Falcon is getting shallower all the time as a result. As this program and it,s contributers continue to elvolve, I can only guess what it will be like a year from now....but I bet it will be well beyond it's current state of "outstanding!"